87 thoughts on “Why DEI is the right thing for Rotary”

1. I have tried to keep an open mind about corporate Rotary’s effort to drive DEI down to the district and club level. My personal observations have been that Rotary has been becoming a more diverse organization for my entire 37 year Rotary career. I support and have in fact been a part of this organic change, but the current effort to artificially drive the process will, in my humble opinion, have a detrimental effect on Rotary. Comments in this thread have reinforced my opinion.

   On July 13, I asked if anyone could cite specific examples of successful projects or programs where DEI principles have made a measurable difference between success and failure. I received a very thoughtful reply which cited how DEI might help Rotary address three of its Areas of Focus, but no specific example of a successful project or program was cited. Other posters have in fact cited examples where an over zealous application of DEI at the club level have caused them to leave Rotary.

   In the spirit of keeping an open mind, I once again read the original post. There is no doubt that the poster is a sincere, intelligent Rotarian who believes in the program. I respect that. Nevertheless, a deep dive into the interview reveals several flaws in their argument.

   The author describes Rotarians as falling into three groups:
   1. A small group that already recognizes the benefits of DEI and will feel empowered as the program takes hold.

   2. A group who will never be convinced that DEI is good for Rotary and therefore should be isolated and effectively ignored.

   3. A majority in a “movable middle” that must be brought on board through education and awareness of why (DEI) is so important.

   An analysis of this description shows that DEI is being promoted by a minority of Rotarians to a much larger group that is either opposed to the concept or could honestly care less.

   Concerning the challenges posed by trying to implement DEI in a large, global, culturally diverse organization (please notice the irony in that statement), the author states that several large corporations are embarking on the effort and that Rotary should try to emulate these organizations. I would counter that two such organizations are Anheuser Busch (the brewers of Bud Light beer) and The Disney Company (a media organization whose latest offerings have lost large sums of money). In both instances the organizations have, with disastrous results, turned their backs on the constituencies that made them successful in order to promote a DEI agenda. Rotary certainly does not need to be emulating these and similar organizations.

   I have asked myself the starting question suggested by the author “Why”; and have made an honest effort to be part of the “movable middle”. I have searched for the afore mentioned effective argument in favor of DEI. What I have found is articles that promote “having uncomfortable conversations” and examples of experienced Rotarians who are leaving the organization. Recognizing that “tyranny of the majority” is a condition that the DEI taskforce is trying to overcome, the arguments advanced in favor of the program have failed to convince me that the program is necessary in today’s Rotary, an organization which IMHO is already diverse and inclusive. On the contrary, I have “moved” in the opposite direction and have concluded that the DEI program does not build goodwill and better friendships and therefore violates The Four Way Test.

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   • Interesting point-of-view.
     I think all of us want to be treated equitably, and in turn we treat others equitably.
     Our behavior is the universal and everyday DEI program.
     By our Rotary values and principles, we are examples to our community and the world of the benefits of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion to improve people’s quality of life in our community and in the world.
     The “DEI” program with the biggest impact on Rotary is the acceptance of women in 1986.
     We continue to create hope to those who face discrimination and adversity.
     Be Rotarian,

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   • You say “An analysis of this description shows that DEI is being promoted by a minority of Rotarians to a much larger group that is either opposed to the concept or could honestly care less.” We can look back in history and see endless examples of a larger group that is opposed or could care less. For example, the ending of slavery, the civil rights act, the legality of interracial marriage. We can see those examples play out today with debates over whether black lives matter or not, whether a person has the right to determine their own gender, or whether a person can marry who they love.
     I recall seeing a picture from the 1960s of protestors in front of a courthouse with signs protesting interracial marriage becoming legal. Generations later, I look back at that time and I’m dumfounded that people actually protested making interracial marriage legal in the US. But there it is, right in our history. The majority of American’s disapproved of interracial marriage well into the 80s, decades after it became legal.

     It then hit me… is this what our great grandchildren will think when they look back on this time 60 years from now and see protests of transgender rights, protests to the concept that black lives actually matter, protests of marriage equality for the LGBTQ+ community? Will they see the people who protested Budweiser because they featured a transgender person in a commercial like I see those protestors of interracial marriage? Will they see the protestors of Black Lives Matter, trans rights, gender non-binary rights, and gay marriage rights, like I see those protestors of interracial marriage?

     And here’s the part that really blows me away. Rotarians of all people being on the side of those protestors. Rotarians protesting Equity, which by definition is “the quality of being fair”. If there’s one thing I think we can all agree on, it’s the 4-way test. The Second test is “Is it fair to all concerned”. Ninety years ago, Paul Harris literally made Equity the 2nd test of the 4-Way Test, second only to ensuring that we’re working with the Truth. And yet, here are Rotarians protesting Equity, literally the quality of being fair.

     I leave you with this thought. As you look back at those pictures of protestors of interracial marriage in the 1960s and as you consider the thoughts of our great grandchildren 60 years from now, which side of history do you want to be on?

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     • Rotary has the four way test and we all know it well and recite it every week along with our pledge of allegiance to the United States and a prayer to God to bless our members and the meal we will share.
       DEI is a gaming scam that pop up companies are using to make money.
       Equity and the way it is being interpreted in DEI will be harmful to the Rotary organization.
       Rotary is a service organization and those members that do the work and contribute the funds deserve the credit. It’s a merit based recognition.
       If the socialistic policies of the National Rotary Organization is forced upon our local club they will lose members.
       We at the local level are and have been Diverse & Inclusive and we recognize and appreciate all our members that volunteer for office and serve on our committees and fund our activities.
       Rotary, in lieu of insinuating we are in need of social training, should instead celebrate our great organization and its Diverse & Inclusiveness.

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     • I’m glad that we agree that DEI is being promoted by a minority over the objections and/or ambivalence of a majority of Rotarians. Where we disagree is whether or not it is wise for corporate Rotary to continue driving the program into the district or club level. If Equity is defined as ensuring equality of outcomes as opposed to ensuring equality of opportunity, count me out.

       I have personally witnessed efforts to overcome the tyranny of the majority in order to correct the problems you cite. Noble as they may have been, such efforts resulted in civil unrest, property damage, personal injury, and even fatalities. These actions most certainly did not build goodwill and better friendships, and in some cases were not beneficial to all concerned. Thankfully, Rotary, as an institution, did not engage in these activities and was in fact prohibited by its own policies from doing so. Where they were so inclined, Rotarians worked quietly to address the issues described and genuine progress has been made. Rotary did not need a formal DEI program to make such progress.

       What side of history do I prefer to be on? I prefer to be on the side where Rotary lives by its time tested Four Way Test and other values that have served it well for over 100 years. I prefer to be on the side where Rotary stays the hell away from divisive issues that our organization has no business being a part of, and concentrates on joining leaders from all continents, cultures, and occupations to exchange ideas and take action for communities around the world.

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2. I left Rotary because of the current support of DEI, Social Justice and other Radical Progressive ideas. Others are doing the same. DEI is a perversion of Rotary principals in the attempt to win over younger people that the leaders think will join Rotary. Diversity is fine. Except it is being used to recruit people that otherwise would not be good member candidates. People that never would have been considered for membership in the past. Equity is a terrible idea for Rotary to support. Equity actually means trying to make everyone equal. No matter how intelligent they are or how hard they try. It is a Marxist idea that has now been sneaked into Rotary. Equal opportunity and helping those with less resources to get ahead are great ideas worth supporting. That is NOT what Equity is. Inclusion is fine. But only if we mean to make those coming into Rotary feel welcome. It was used in my former club to eliminate common past practices such as the invocation at our meetings. If one person complained about something they didn’t like (they were triggered) that thing would be eliminated regardless of the desires of the other members of the club. The reason given was that it would not be “inclusive” to retain that practice. Good way to lose members. The 4 Way Test worked for more than 100 years. There was no reason to add DEI to Rotary. That was a huge mistake. One that will eventually destroy what is left of Rotary.

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3. I find it interesting that this discussion fails to actually address the subject posed in its title “Why DEI is the right thing for Rotary”. It seems that those who are supporting the program are operating under an axiomatic assumption that DEI is a good thing, but I have not yet seen or heard a convincing proof that DEI is in fact a good thing. We read about current progress towards the goal (which in my opinion has not been clearly stated), and we read about challenges associated with the program, but where is the evidence that DEI has or will benefit Rotary? On the other hand, there are many comments that address why it is not a good thing, especially the Equity portion of DEI.

   Can anyone cite specific examples of successful projects or programs where DEI principles have made a measurable difference between success and failure? This is an honest question.

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   • Yes, and DEI the Rotary Way could be the solution and beneficial to all concerned in our efforts to address three key areas of focus, that are, mental health, empowering women and girls, and peace across the globe, in our communities, and in ourselves.

     We could start with inclusion in addressing the power of BELONGING. Studies show that loneliness and isolation are causes for depression that could result in violent acts such as suicide and assaults. In turn, belonging benefits all, as we know people want to recognized, needed and accepted. They want the opportunity to participate and contribute their skills to the success of their club and society.

     As Rotarians what we think, say and do could build understanding, goodwill, and friendships. We want everyone to have the right to safety, prosperity, and quality of life, the consensus values of peace and the benefits of peaceful societies. Furthermore, such bonds could lead to respect, empathy, shared values and principles that are the basis for trust.

     And that trust could be the antidote to fear. uncertainty, violence and wars. We need and want everyone to pull together and use their god-given talents.

     Why not give DEI a chance as a way to mental health, empowering women and girls, and peace?

     Be Rotarian and advance understanding, goodwill and peace.

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     • Dennis, thanks for taking the time to reply; but I am still looking for specific examples where and how DEI has made a tangible difference in the outcome of a project or program. Please focus on how these outcomes could or would not have been achieved by like minded people of good will working together to achieve the project’s or program’s goal.

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     • Yes, and for this Rotary Year our club’s DEI committee will focus on BELONGING.

       “We know that belonging is crucial to our life satisfaction, happiness, mental and physical health, and even longevity. It gives us a sense of purpose and meaning.
       Research has shown that loss of belonging has been associated with stress, illness and decreased wellbeing and depression.”

       Belonging is … why people are attracted to Rotary, why people join, and why people stay and serve with fellow Rotarians to make the world, our communities and our lives better.

       Thank You for belonging to the Rotary family.
       And together we … Do Good. Feel Good. Have Fun.

       OHANA.
       -dennis

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     • you can dress up “equity” – which is actually racism – any way you want – it is still racism. Fixing what is “broken” by breaking something else is not useful and not in line with the 4 way test. Those who do not study history, those who do not think – will reap the whirlwind – just check the news in Europe these days. Consequences do not recognize blah blah.

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   • Equity is racism – no matter how you dess it up.

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     • You have obviously decided that this is about race for you, but please know that for the rest of us it is about so much more. Gender, age, religion, profession, place of birth, neurodiversity, physical ability, association with other organizations or charities – I could go on and on. You CHOOSE to see this through the lens of race and that’s a very small lens. I CHOOSE to see this as embracing people from all walks of life so they can bring their diverse perspectives and ideas to our work. If that means providing sit-down jobs at service projects for those unable to stand for long periods, or offering grants for member dues to bring down economic barriers, then those are small steps we will gladly take to make our club more equitable and inclusive so we can have a diverse group of members. You are taking something that should be so beautiful and kind, and turning it into political ugliness. That is a big violation of The Four Way Test and our efforts to keep politics out of Rotary.

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     • Here is a personal view.
       Equity is about how we treat each other.
       There are many people who face discrimination due to gender, disabilities, class, religion, and lifestyle. Inequality can come in many forms, such as policies, laws, and behavior.
       Equity is being a good neighbor to others in one’s community and the world.
       Equity is about treating people with respect, kindness and compassion.
       Equity is Love and Peace.

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   • Wouldn’t finally allowing women into Rotary be the biggest example of how DEI has benefited our organization and our impact? And just like some of the commenters here, some members left as a result of that change, but ultimately our organization is better and stronger for it.
     I can tell you that my club’s biggest fundraiser was able to get more and bigger sponsors after I joined and set up a social media account and website for them.
     I can tell you that we wouldn’t have known there was a village in Zimbabwe in need of a corn grinder our club could sponsor if we didn’t have a member who was an adventurous traveler.
     I can share about a nearby club that’s become incredibly diverse in age, experience and race that is now supporting organizations with time and money that they’d never connected with before, making a positive impact for people in need in their community.
     We just wrapped up the year of Imagine Rotary, but keep it up. Imagine all the ways in which your club could make new connections, learn new ways to do things and make a bigger impact thanks to a diversity of people and ideas in your group. It’s not hard to do.

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     • Lizz, allowing women in Rotary had nothing to do with Equity it was about Equality! From the United States Supreme Court decision. “We recognized that the State’s compelling interest in assuring equal access to women extends to the acquisition of leadership skills and business contacts,” The Court ruled on Equal Access., they did not rule on what was equitable. I will again say, equity and equality are Not the same. Those of us who oppose DEI favor Equality not equity.

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     • I hope you can at least agree that woman in Rotary improved Diversity and Inclusion. As for Equity… sometimes it’s not an either/or between equity and equality… they are not mutually exclusive. The language used by the courts may have been “Equality”, but was their inclusion not also equitable? What is Equity? “The quality of being fair and impartial”. In addition to creating equality, did it not also create a quality of fairness that Rotary should allow woman just like men? How was that not equitable, in addition to certainly creating diversity and inclusion?

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4. Follow-up. Update. From the original post dated June 8, 2021

   February 2023 … Peacebuilding and Conflict Prevention month.
   February 23, 2023 … 118th Rotary Anniversary

   Rotary’s DEI program keeps moving forward … as we accept the rights of others and deal fairly with others and threat them with respect.
   Furthermore, I think DEI is an important factor in building peace and preventing violent conflicts.

   Curious.
   How many people resigned their membership because of Rotary’s commitment to DEI both within our clubs and in our communities?
   In turn, how many new members did we gain as our clubs became more like the diversity in our communities?

   Please see:
   https://my.rotary.org/en/learning-reference/about-rotary/diversity-equity-and-inclusion

   Thanks to all fellow Rotarians for your service and commitment to DEI.
   – Dennis Wong
   Rotary E-Club of World Peace, chair, DEI and Social Justice Committee
   Rotary District 5330, member, District DEI Committee

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   • Diversity and Inclusion absolutely – however – equity = racism. and that is fact. That is not the way I feel – it is a hard cold logical fact. In 20 years you will regret what you are doing. There is never a time to discriminate in any way based on the physical differences of any person – NEVER! Have fun.

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   • Ok… this is the third time in this thread someone has equated equity with racism? What in the world is this about? When did fairness become racism? Oh, is it because minorities and POC have historically had lower wages and less wealth due, in part, to the legacy of slavery, discrimination, racist housing policies like “white only” neighborhood covenants and red lining of neighborhoods, unequal drug enforcements in poor neighborhoods with larger populations of POC, racist policies for POC in the military like denying college benefits to black servicemembers? The thought of tipping the scales slightly back toward fair… is that what people think racism is?

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5. Equity and Inequality. Happy that we are having this conversation as we live by our Rotarian Code of Conduct and the Rotary values and principles. I suggest consideration of the following three action-step process on the subject:
   1. To start, I believe most of us have a good sense and idea about inequality in all aspects of life. Thus, perhaps we in our clubs and districts can reach a consensus on inequalities in our communities.
   2. Then use our Rotary Areas of Focus and the Eight Pillars of Positive Peace as a guide to address those inequalities that perhaps are caused by the unequal distribution of resources. Furthermore, The Four-Way Tests asks: Will it be beneficial to all concerned?
   3. Walk the Talk, and Take Action to do a project that addresses inequalities in your community. This is an opportunity to measure the impact on member thinking and positions on an inequality and equity scale.
   Result … Members will do a good service while learning more about inequality and equity in their communities, in the world, and in their own thinking. Peace.
   Be Rotarian.

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   • Happy words to justify a flawed concept. “Equity” fails the 4 way test. Enough said.

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     • To George Syme. Thank You for your comment. I acknowledge your position. I am guided by my understanding of our Rotary mission, values and principles in addressing INEQUALITY … and what is fair and beneficial to all concerned. Peace.

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     • I am guided by the truth, logic and facts. Any lie is bad – no matter how much lipstick you paint on it. There is no peace when good people do evil. There will be and never is – a place to hide from the truth.

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6. I know of know Rotary Clubs that exclude people at all. You live or work in the community, you pay your dues, you can join and stay as long as you want. I see where Rotary Clubs International making the assumption that its clubs are not inclusive is driving away members who feel they are being accused of racism. Can Rotary Club International personnel even define “equity?” Every person that I ask gives me a different definition.

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   • I am not RI personnel, but defining equity is quite simple.
     Straight out of the dictionary: the quality of being fair and impartial
     A pretty important part of The Four Way Test!

     Asking clubs to be part of the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion effort is not accusing them of being anything. Maybe they are already doing a great job just by the nature of following Rotary’s values. Unfortunately, human nature tends to guide us to behave in ways that don’t truly embrace DEI. For example, we naturally gravitate towards people who look like us, live like us and work like us. There’s nothing wrong with that, but if we never decide to make a purposeful effort to meet different people, live near different people, invite different people into our circles, then we will stay in our little bubble of people like us. Comfortable, but probably not very diverse.

     Rotary Clubs and members should be open to a self-assessment as to whether or not they are making that purposeful effort to reach out in ways they haven’t before. It is unfair and factually incorrect to turn that into some kind of accusation of impropriety or bias. If your reaction during a DEI discussion is to be defensive, you are missing the point. It’s about listening to hear and taking what is said into consideration. Maybe it applies to you, maybe it does not. Until to open your mind and bring down your defenses, you will not know.

     It is understandable that no one wants to be perceived as biased in any way. We are Rotarians! We are good people! This is true, but when you really study the topic more in-depth you come to understand that a lot of human nature includes biases that were once self-defense systems (think caveman times). We pretty consistently overcome those impulses in order to be the good people that we are, but unless we are willing to internally challenge our own thoughts and behaviors, then we may never know if any bias is influencing us subconsciously. It’s not a punishment or a way to label someone or an accusation of any kind. It’s an act of reflection that we should do as individuals and as clubs to ensure we’ve looked at things from all angles!

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     • that is not the meaning of “equity” as it is being used in this case. Equity in this case is actual bias – no question. Read some more.

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     • Equity and Equality are not the same thing at all. The word Equity comes directly from Marxism. It means the attempt to make everyone equal. To push those down that try harder. To raise those up that don’t. This is a concept that has never worked anywhere in the world. It was the basis for Russian Communism. Same for Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.. All resulted in making everyone equally poor except for the Communist bosses and party members. Equal opportunity and helping those with less to succeed is a great goal. Equity is toxic and has no place in Rotary. Which is why I left Rotary. DEI is being used to bring politics into Rotary. Something that I didn’t sign up for 20 years ago and never thought I would see. This will destroy Rotary if it is allowed to continue.

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     • Lizz, you said, ” Straight out of the dictionary: the quality of being fair and impartial.” Is charging people over the age of 30, 4 times more to attend the international convention fair and impartial ??? I say NO, it is because of some arbitrary determination the people age 30 and under are somehow financially disadvantaged and RI wants equity. However, RI does not have any financial records of the income of their members, they simply make an arbitrary decision to achieve what they think is equitable. this decission is not based on solid facts and it is not fair and not impartial.

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7. Thank You for sharing your thoughts. I believe we all support having a level playing field with conditions, policies and rules that are fair to all concerned. Unfortunately, there are some people who game the system to gain unfair advantages. For example, I love sports where people call out and penalize cheaters. Go Rotary.

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   • I support a level playing field in sports and in life in general. Does Rotary support men pretending to be women in order to win at women’s sporting events? Because that is were DEI has taken us. Diversity is fine if not taken too far. Same with Inclusion. Equity is toxic and a losing idea for Rotary. I was in Rotary for more than 20 years. We never excluded anyone from joining Rotary because of their sex, sexuality, race, religion, ethnic group, skin color, etc.. We always tried to make everyone feel welcome. Now, under the guise of DEI, I see one sided political agendas being inserted into Rotary. I see some of the members trying to convince others of their political beliefs. If another member doesn’t agree their agenda they are vilified and punished for speaking up. That is why I left Rotary.

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     • Nimrod. Regrets that you left Rotary. Thank You for your service.

       Yes, and DEI could be misused, even as there are enormous benefits to be gained and enjoyed by all. I believe based on our Rotarian Code of Conduct, we Rotarians could shape DEI to be beneficial to all concerned while building goodwill and better friendships. I see DEI as a pathway to building peace and preventing conflicts.

       We Rotarians are creative problem solvers to include the acceptance that Rotary may not be for everyone. Still we work with people on share interests to improve people’s quality of life in our communities and in the world.

       I am grateful for having the resources to be of service to others as a Rotarian.

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8. I am done with this discussion – equity (as it is being used in these discussions) a dangerous and not useful idea – it does not promote the equality of opportunity that is the basis for our individual freedom and choice – and all the amount of explaining will not change that fact. Be careful what you ask for – you may just get it – in ways you have never imagined. I will continue to give support to those less fortunate – regardless of any organization – I will not associate with any organization that has lost its soul. 10,000 years of human history prove my point – wishing and hoping never makes anything so.

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9. It is telling when the DEI exploratory task force starts the conversation “Why DEI is right for Rotary”
   I believe the task forces mission was to explore IF DEI is right for Rotary.
   This is as deceitful as how the term “Equity” is being spun.
   This is not a study task for it’s a push a shove a railroad. When the so called task force describes people ” as movable middle” and those that aren’t movable will basically have to go by the wayside (paraphrase)
   Rotarians…ask yourself…have you harbored bad thoughts about rotary members, have you not been inclusive, know any member against diversity, know anybody that doesn’t have equal opportunity in Rotary.
   Why are we wasting valuable Rotary resources on this,

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   • For clarification sake, the Task Force itself had no role in the headline chosen for this blog post. That is a decision of the Coms team, and stemmed from Katey’s use of the phrase “it is the right thing to do.”

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     • So am I to understand Rotary International remains content with Rotary’s long term success with the wonderfully simple and powerful Rotary Four Pledge.

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10. Words matter.
    “INEQUITY and INEQUALITY.: these terms are sometimes confused, but are not interchangeable, inequity refers to unfair, avoidable differences arising from poor governance, corruption or cultural exclusion while inequality simply refers to the uneven distribution of health or health resources as a result of genetic or other factors or the lack of resources. ”
    From Global Health Europe

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    • equity is equal to racism and not “equal” to equality in any way.

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      • I agree that equity and equality are not the same, but can you please explain how equity = racism? You do know that diversity, equity and inclusion is not just about race, right?

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11. Social Justice, Equity, Inclusion and Diversity
    Yes, this focus and commitment is The Right Thing for Rotary and Rotarians
    Let us led by our example by living our Rotarian Code of Conduct.

    In line with our value of integrity, we are committed to being honest and transparent about where we are in our DEI journey as an organization, and to continuing to learn and do better.

    Diversity, equity, and inclusion is not a political issue; we all have the right to be treated with dignity and respect, to have equal opportunities for fellowship and service, and to be given the same platforms for our voices to be heard.

    Please see … https://my.rotary.org/en/learning-reference/about-rotary/diversity-equity-and-inclusion

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12. Rotary has developed one of the most effective world wide organizations and it certainly does not need DEI training of how to be more effective. No I am not interested in spending time with this proposal. We should be very protective of Rotary as it is today and Rotary has a wonderful history of which I certainly want to continue to support without DEI.

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    • Totally Agree 👍

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    • Like it or not, times are changing.
      Furthermore, I believe Rotary with all our resources (people and money) is underperforming in achieving our mission and vision.
      How could Rotary do better to be more effective in our polarized nations and world?
      The status quo is not our best answer.

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      • Rotary’s mission & vision is not intended nor should it be political.
        If it was politically inclined we would not have been as successful in our polio campaign.

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      • Good question .. is DEI political?
        RI says … Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are not political issues.

        For more information including five ways your club can support diversity, equity, and inclusion …go to … rotary.org/dei

        Peace.

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      • Rotary International may say DEI isn’t political. However, their actions say otherwise.
        Rotary International needs to spell out the expected costs to implement their new DEI program. Please include real examples of where Rotary has excluded any member or prospective members, or failed to help any member or prospective in need of financial or physical accommodations.
        I personally do not know of any examples, do you? Explain please.
        DEI is going to use valuable Rotary resources, please validate real reasons and examples why Rotary should divert resources we are using to help people and communities for DEI.
        Also, Rotary has many traditional and conservative members, has any of the DEI advocates made any allowance as to the financial & resources lost when many of the traditional and conservative Rotary members leave the club.

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    • No matter how long “equity” is promoted – as the Supreme Court discovered recently – a mistake is a mistake – no matter how many years go by – equality of opportunity is what we need – equity denies equality – equity forces some artificial “leveling” and that fact is not going to change, no matter how many feelings are expressed – Rotary is making a huge mistake and time will only make it worse. “Equity” has not, does not and will never pass the 4 way test and for those who cannot see that – you are damaging Rotary and that is the truth. Equity will never be just or fair or true. Who is the “judge” of equity? what is equity? what force maintains this artificial “equity? is “equity” needed for a lifetime? a century? a millennium? equity is defined by the individuals who will never agree. Those who persist in this error are damaging Rotary. All of the double talk, emotional babbling, wishing and hoping, faulty logic – none of these will make equity the goal to be followed. The actual way to help those in the world that have less than we have – is to provide equality of opportunity. Remember who was tossed out of heaven because he would force everyone to be “good”. History is filled with the disaster stories of those who would “make” the world a “perfect” place – those who would force everyone to do and be exactly the same. Those who ended up eliminating (still happening in the world today) all of those who did not fit the “model”. Don’t be like our Supreme Court – who fooled themselves into thinking that taking away the will of the people – would be a useful thing to do.

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13. I’ve been a member for over 20 years and a couple clubs and visited several around the country…..I believe Rotary members follow the four way test and I’ve never witnessed a club or any of it’s members ever treating “any” person in a disrespectful, unequal or un-inclusive manor.
    Embracing DEI to shame our already wonderful diverse & inclusive members is a mistake.
    Equity vs Equality, I will never be a part of an organization that preaches equity, rather than equality.

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    • Equal: Dues are the same for everyone.
      More Equitable: Financial support programs, family/corporate memberships, friends of Rotary options or discounted dues for young members, so cost is not a barrier to membership.

      Equal: Everyone can work this fundraiser by standing at a booth for 2-hour shifts.
      More Equitable: Providing access or equipment for people of all physical abilities to work a 2-hour shift.

      Equal: The in-person Rotary meeting will be at 12pm Tuesdays.
      More Equitable: Tuesday noon meetings are hybrid to allow attendance in person or online, plus there’s a happy hour meeting on the first Thursday of each month.

      Just because everything is presented as the same for everyone, doesn’t make it equally accessible for everyone. Making things more equitable makes Rotary more accessible. It’s a win for everyone all around.

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      • Beneficial to all concerned – that means ALL – equity is NOT THAT! I am really getting tired of this nonsense.

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      • @George This is not nonsense. It is important discussion and I thank you for engaging. How is equity not in reference to “all concerned?” Equity is similar to equality, but with more nuance and understanding so we can meet people where they are at. I think my examples above are clear as to why equality does not always mean “all,” even with the best of intentions.
        As Rotarians we are asked to set aside our “self” and think about others through the lens of The Four Way Test. Some of you with negative comments regarding equity seem to be hung up on what you think equity means instead of listening to how it relates specifically to Rotary. Not your politics. Not any social movement you have preconceived notions about. Just Rotary.
        We are moving forward in a more equitable fashion. I hope you will join us!

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      • I will definitely not not be joining you. Equality yes, equity NO!
        I’m done with this conversation and with your spin on equity term.
        Today I love my Rotary and my past Rotary, I will not be participating in your future Rotary.
        I’m not asking for your reply, we are so far a part your response isn’t of interest to me, nor do I believe my desires are an interest to you.

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      • Lizzy,
        Yes, and Rotary International leaders and many Rotarians have decided that DEI conversations are necessary as we move forward.
        I am with you.

        P.S. I find interesting that some people use The Four-Way Test to justify their positions rather than opening-minds and use our differences as a catalyst for constructive change.

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      • The examples you provided Lizzy are actually being and have been implemented in all the Rotary clubs I’ve been a member, each of your examples are already being done. I don’t know a single Rotary member that hasn’t made provisions allowing anyone desiring to be a member but needs financial consideration or physical considerations to go unmet.
        Rotary does not need DEI, Rotary is already an amazing club.
        You talk about or offer comments as to how in your opinion our current Rotary members are not Diverse, Equitable or Inclusive….Give us some real life examples of why we current members need to be trained or retrained to fit your DEI woke mold. Give real examples of where we have failed.

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      • Dan – at no point have I said that we are currently failing at DEI and I think you are living in a fantasy if you think clubs are already addressing every situation I noted in my equity examples. My club only set up a scholarship fund to help members cover dues two years ago and I don’t know any other clubs in my district offering something similar. Does that mean they are failing at DEI? No, but it does mean that there are things they could be doing to make their club more accessible, and maybe if we all talked about it they would be inspired to do the same as my club. Promoting that DEI be a factor in how clubs operate, make decisions and implement changes does not mean they are currently lacking in diversity, unequitable or exclusive. It just means that we should place a high value on doing our best with it. If we want to truly live by The Four Way Test we need self-awareness and the ability to recognize where, when and how we can do better.

        And to reply to your other comment asking me which clubs are banning women, again that’s not what I said. I said some are “unwelcoming” to women. An important distinction because it’s not purposefully breaking the rules while still lacking in DEI. There are many places in the world where culturally women are not treated equally to men, are not allowed all the same freedoms, and that can carry over into the culture of Rotary Clubs in those areas. Rotary has banned women longer than it has welcomed them and unfortunately I think there are places where inequality still exists. That doesn’t mean we are doomed or terrible or failing. It just means more work needs to be done and I think having a DEI taskforce sends a message to all Rotary Clubs that this is important work.

        Those of us willing to do the work of DEI are willing to take a hard look at ourselves and not get defensive. The fact that you have now twice twisted what I’m saying to fit your narrative that DEI is somehow a personal attack tells me this conversation is over.

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14. equity is a slippery slope and is not the same as equality – There is a “pilling on” to those who oppose equity – equity is similar to racism and that is a fact – if you refuse to modify this definition you are going down a totalitarian road and you can emote and yell and whine and blame and pooh pooh and denigrate and blame and yes hate all you wish – 1000 years of human history shows I am absolutely correct – dump equity. You cannot dress up a horrible idea in “progressive” clothing and call it ok.

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15. There is no reason why someone joining Rotary should be talking about their sexual orientation. Are they joining Rotary to have sex! The who idea of DEI has been taken over by liberals who have very ulterior motives. It’s a put off!
    Join any club and focus on Rotary business and see if anyone will stop you.

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    • Someone’s sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with sex. No where in this article does it suggest someone should talk about their sexual orientation either. If you feel politically attacked by people who want to treat others with kindness and acceptance, that could be a signal that some self-reflection is in order. Rotarians are people of service, seeking peace and understanding while helping people in need, abiding by The Four Way Test. We should not lose sight of that even when we feel uncomfortable or in unfamiliar territory. Following The Four Way Test requires us to not go with our gut reactions, but to step back and be thoughtful in our approach to any and all situations.

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      • The Four Way Test has been working for generations of Rotarians.
        Again…..I don’t know of anyone in Rotary that wouldn’t or doesn’t help any member or prospective member participate in all the clubs activities.
        Trying to fix something that isn’t broken in itself sending the wrong message and cost valuable time and assets that could be going towards rotaries core projects.

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      • I’ve given it much thought and DEI, especially the deceitful spin used for the term Equity, would be harmful for Rotary.
        We as a club are already, openly diverse, equal opportunity and inclusive club. If you would be thoughtful you would learn we are doing very well and don’t need fixing.

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      • I agree that “equity” is not a useful term and those who use are not to be trusted.

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      • Equity
        /ˈekwədē/
        noun
        1. the quality of being fair and impartial.
        “equity of treatment”

        Notice the word “fair” is the very definition of equity. It’s also the second question we ask ourselves in The Four Way Test. “Is it fair to all concerned?”
        Equity has been important to the values of Rotary since The Four Way Test was adopted over 75 years ago.
        To suggest that it’s not something we should even discuss or consider is disingenuous, and I have to wonder what your agenda is if you deny the importance of equity in Rotary. That kind of denial is generally a political posture and that’s not how we do things in Rotary.
        Whether you support it or not, Rotary International, districts and clubs are all creating task forces and committees to educate members on the important of it to ensure that our organization is poised for a diverse, welcoming and equitable future of service.

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      • I agree with you Lizzy, the Four Way Test has worked for many years. No reason to change whats been working fine.
        Every Rotarian has an equal opportunity to serve their club and community. If you do the work you get the reward.
        Those Rotarian’s that enjoy membership but choose not to do the work should not share in the rewards.
        Equity and particularly in the manor it’s implemented in todays social world means everyone gets rewarded no matter who puts forth the effort this is not fair and will be harmful to Rotary.

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      • Your definition is not the definition used by proponents of “equity” – in the context of this discussion – which means that all people should be equal in results vs equal in opportunity – so the definition that you have mentioned is disingenuous, incorrect and somewhat shameful. I follow the 4 way test and I assumed, obviously, that all Rotarians do follow the 4 way test – I see my assumption is incorrect. Rather disturbing to say the least.

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      • George, I agree with your comment and conclusion

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      • What I shared is the dictionary definition of equity. What you are basing your judgment on is YOUR definition of equity, the politicized version, that sees fairness for others as inherently unfair to ones’ self. Rotarians should see fairness as a benefit to all, per The Four Way Test. See also my comment on this blog outlining examples of equity versus equality in Rotary. Your misperceptions about what equity means in the context of Rotary are leading you down a negative path. Shaming me and assuming that I’m not genuine was completely uncalled for on your part.

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    • Exactly. In my former club we had several new members that felt it necessary to put their pronouns in their email signatures. One that felt it was necessary to tell us that “they” were bisexual. We didn’t have anyone in that club who was Trans. So why the pronouns? To virtue signal is the only reason that I can see to do that. Then we had a DEI Committee formed. It immediately changed it’s name to The Social Justice Committee. Then that group proceeded to bring in speakers to focus on past racism and discrimination practices in America. Why? To educate a group of Rotarians that were already familiar with history? To try to change the opinions of the racists in the club that didn’t exist? To try to make the members more tolerant of new members that weren’t like them? That problem didn’t exist either before these speakers gave their presentations. The purpose was political. To inject a specific political ideology into Rotary. A one sided political view that there must be a few racists in Rotary that needed to be re-educated or rooted out. To make the members assume that all White people are racist. That Systemic Racism exists in America. The average Rotary member is well educated and well informed. Why would they need to be indoctrinated? Because the people in the Social Justice Committee wanted everyone to know that they are the “Good Ones”. They are the ones standing up for justice. Why did they feel the need to do that? Did they feel guilty? Were they convinced that they must be part of the these problems in America and have to repent and preach to others?

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16. I like the emphasis on the “movable middle” for real progress. I’m a 2nd generation rotarian and it’s time to change if this organization is going to remain relevant in our diverse communities.

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    • DEI will destroy Rotary. That is my prediction. All organizations similar to Rotary are losing members. This is an attempt to bring younger people into Rotary. It won’t work. There are many reasons why young people don’t join Rotary or other organizations. Lack of time, lack of money, lack of interest, focus on other things that they view as more important. If a young person is interested in political issues they will join a political organization. If not half of the potential new members will be alienated by the DEI agenda. Rotary should focus on what made it attractive to begin with. Meeting with other local leaders and upstanding members of the community. Fellowship with others that want to help make their communities better and more accepting. Having fun with people that don’t want to indoctrinate you into their political ideology. Working together with friends on projects that help your community.

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17. Thank you Katey! While the comments are draining, they just go to show the importance of your work. Exclusion is far more political than inclusion. We need to do away with the prevalent politics of hate within Rotary.

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    • There isn’t a prevalent policy of hate within Rotary.
      There is a prevalent policy diversity, equal opportunity and inclusion in Rotary.
      The Four Way Pledge is a beautiful and well rounded pledge to do and wish all people well.
      There aren’t any substantial grounds for your awful statement.

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    • Where is the “hate”? Do you have actual examples of “the prevalent politics of hate within Rotary”? Because I was in Rotary for more than 20 years and I never experienced that. We had Black and Gay members in our club and I never saw any discrimination or hate towards those members.

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18. what is your definition of “equity”?

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    • Ow about the 4 Way Test as the definition?

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19. It’s a beautiful thing if your Rotary club reflects your business and professional community.
    Bonus points if your Rotary club welcomes, appreciates and benefits from the array of people who make up our local and world community.

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20. Being a 43 year Rotarian, I don’t accept this push to take over our organization that has done so much for humanity. DEI is an undercover op.

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    • Welcoming people from all walks of life who are interested in putting service above self and living Rotary’s ethical values only serves to grow our ability to serve our communities. Having been in Rotary for so long, you must remember when women were finally allowed to join in the late 1980’s – an extremely impactful and positive move for our organization. What about DEI feels like an “undercover op” for you?

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      • Lizzy – I am an analyst by profession – facts – data – logic – have served me and my clients well – “nuance” leaves me cold – as I said previously, “equity” is not a good concept – simple ideas can be expressed simply – equality is straightforward – in my work complex ideas demand the question – why? in my experience, complexity often means less straightforward, obfuscation and deception – if you feel that this is a personal attack – my point has been already made. In this world the execution of simple logical useful steps not done well – leads to excuse, misdirection and lack of accountability. I refer you to our current Federal Government Administration. The four way test is enough. If more is needed, the fault is in us, not the idea. If you are a religious person – Lucifer was cast from heaven because his model was to force people to be good – there would be no option, no choice. no freedom, no individual accountability. His plan was rejected.

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      • Thanks for the thoughtful response George. You say, “The four way test is enough. If more is needed, the fault is in us, not the idea.” I would say that you are right on the money here. I think The Four Way test is proof that DEI is a part of Rotary. We are asked to be honest, fair and friendly in all that we think, say or do so as to build goodwill and benefit all. But as society evolves and the plight of certain groups is brought to the forefront, we have to be prepared to adjust our individual behaviors to keep them in line with our four important questions. It’s a simple case of when we know better, we should do better. I refer back to my previous example of when women were not allowed in Rotary. We had The Four Way Test back then, but were we truly following it? Even today, there are clubs that are still not welcoming to women. If DEI is reinforced from the very top of Rotary, it sends a strong message to clubs that we’re serious about following that Four Way Test.

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      • George, your comment is excellent. I support your opinion.

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      • Lizzy if you are aware of clubs not currently allowing women, then why don’t you go to the top now and have them set those non complying clubs straight.
        We have the rules, we have the 4 Way test , simply enforce the current rules.
        You say you know of clubs still not allowing women then tell us which clubs and we will help you challenge leadership to enforce our Rotary rules. We don’t need DEI to give us the desire or courage to challenge Clubs not in compliance.
        Not interested in DEI it’s a waste of Rotary resources.

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22. Another example of Rotary becoming a Liberal organization and ignoring the fact that the majority of members are conservative.

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    • Valuing diversity, equity and inclusion is not political. It’s common sense for any organization that seeks growth. There are no politics or religion in Rotary.

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      • How equity is defined is political. Equity in opportunity is something that we can all rally behind. However, Rotary appears to be taking up the mantle for equity in outcomes. Equity in outcomes requires the same result for all, without any consideration for the blood, sweat and treasure that went into achieving the outcome. It’s ridiculous and I will not back it.

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      • @Joseph Well I’m sorry you see it that way. As with all things, applying The Four Way Test points me in the right direction. If there’s something I can do to make a situation more equitable, I would do so in the interest of building goodwill and better friendships and in the spirit of being beneficial to all concerned.

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      • Here is how DEI has become a problem: Diversity as in finding good quality potential members has become “find anyone that fits the BIPOC or other minority requirement and ask them to join. Regardless of their position in the community, their reputation or their ability to pay dues or help with projects. The clubs are now just looking for “body counts”. Equity has become another way to bring people into Rotary that can’t really afford to be in Rotary and don’t participate. Quite a few members of non-profit organizations joined my past club. Members that were there to try to obtain grants and whose dues had to be subsidized or paid for by their organizations. They had no real commitment to Rotary or what the club was trying to accomplish. Instead of inclusion being focused on welcoming new members and making them feel like friends it became a reason to stop singing our national anthem because a few members didn’t like that. The didn’t feel “included” when that was part of the meeting. The feelings of the other 90% plus members were ignored in the attempt to make these few members feel included. Same with our invocations. Those were eliminated. Because a few members thought they were too Christian oriented. One member that left was a Hindu. I suggested that she join the invocation committee and say a Hindu invocation once in a while. None of our members would have objected to that. Instead she decided to leave. Diversity and Inclusion are great. IF they are not taken too far. Equity is toxic and should not be a part of Rotary.

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